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Divine Providence.

Providence means that God directs, causes, allows all events in our lives and the world in general. Coincidence means that things just happen - sometimes by a strange coincidence - or by accident. Discuss your view or ask a question.

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Divine Providence.

Postby Dennis on Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:25 pm

Myself, I do not believe in coincidence, I firmly believe in Divine Providence.
    The Heidelberg Catechism:
    The Almighty and everywhere present power of God; whereby, as it were by His hand, He upholds and governs heaven, earth, and all creatures; so that herbs and grass, rain and drought, fruitful and barren years, meat and drink, health and sickness, riches and poverty, yea, and all things come, not by chance, but by His Fatherly hand; that we may be patient in adversity; thankful in prosperity; and that in all things, which may hereafter befall us, we place our firm trust in our faithful God and Father, that nothing shall separate us from His love; since all creatures are so in His hand, that without His will they cannot so much as move.
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Re: Divine Providence.

Postby Brookside on Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:17 pm

Hi Dennis,

"that without His will they cannot so much as move."

Nor can they even breathe or think their next thought!
The Lord is my light and my salvation. (Psalm 27:1)
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Re: Divine Providence.

Postby Blue on Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:34 am

Brookside wrote:Hi Dennis,

"that without His will they cannot so much as move."

Nor can they even breathe or think their next thought!


Does that not make us mere puppets? Seems a very fatalistic view.

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Re: Divine Providence.

Postby Brookside on Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:36 am

Blue wrote:
Brookside wrote:Hi Dennis,

"that without His will they cannot so much as move."

Nor can they even breathe or think their next thought!


Does that not make us mere puppets? Seems a very fatalistic view.

Blue


Hi Blue,
The answer to your question is not a simple one. It could take up a lot of space and be a very long Reply. To simplify a little we need to start with this truth from God's Word from Ephesians 2:1-2, "And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air . . ."

I'll stop there -- although you're welcome to read to the end of verse 3.
The death being discussed here cannot be physical because dead men don't walk around, nor do they follow the world's ways, nor do they follow the devil (prince of the power of the air). So obviously there is another kind of death in view here -- the condition of spiritual death. That means the inability to NOT sin. It also means the inability to do what is right, the inability to obey God's laws.

Can you see from there where we're going? In verse 4 we learn that even when we were dead (spiritually) God made us alive. We had nothing to do with that loving act of God's mercy except to come alive spiritually by His grace . . . just like Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave without any help from Lazarus.
Once the soul has been made alive in Christ, it has the desire for Him because He is infinitely desirable. There is a new freedom that was not there previously -- the freedom to choose to obey God out of love for what He has done to set the soul free.
That's certainly not fatalism nor is it being an unwilling puppet.

I said I'd keep it short, so I'd better stop here and give you a chance to thnk it through and come back for more explanation if you have some further questions about it.
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